why do people(anti China trolls) get angry when they see a person love her own country?
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Little One, you know I am not a troll. I also typically avoid questions that are meant to be primarily inflammatory. However, I did want to comment on this one. As you know, I've married into a Chinese family. My parents-in-law were all born in China, as were their siblings, etc. They have all become US citizens. Out of the total of nine siblings, only two stayed in China. Over the years, I've seen a shift in their attitudes towards China. When I became a part of the family 14 years ago, they had very little "good" to say about China. Yes, there were things they liked about their birth country, but they were much more proud of the fact that they became US citizens and were a part of the US. Two of them, especially, were proud of their new citizenship as they were somewhat recent immigrants to the US. I would say somewhere around the year 2000 -- after China was awarded the Olympic games for 2008 -- that all of the sudden, they started to take more notice of China's achievement. Some of them returned to China for a visit for the first time in years and saw how things had improved. When they returned to the US after that visit, it seemed that the US was only bad and China was only good. In spite of the fact that they had criticized China to no end before this, they became offended if anyone else criticized China. The shift is even stronger now . . . China is VERY good and the US is VERY bad. This seems strange to me. I'm a guest in China (not a citizen) and I love the place. However, I think I'm pretty objective about it. It's not Utopia. However, it most definitely isn't Hell, either. I try not to criticize the place. When I deal with frustrations, I know that frustrations exist everywhere. I DO criticize the US. It is extremely far from perfect and it has a lot of room for improvement. (Progress is not limited to developing nations.) However, my in-laws seems to have a double standard. The US was good when they were trying to establish themselves out of their birth country (which they left by choice). Once they met their goals, etc., they appear to have changed their minds. No one forced them to leave China. No one forced them to change their citizenship. When one changes citizenship, that is supposed to mean that allegiance is transferred to the new country. While one can never eliminate the ties to a birth country (nor should they be expected to), it seems to be contrary to the citizenship pledge taken when one became a citizen to remain loyal to the birth country. Loyalty is supposed to shift. When one becomes a citizen of another country, but continues to be loyal only to their birth country, then the question must be asked: Why change citizenship? As my parents-in-law get older (they are now over 80), it gets worse. They seem to resent living in the US (even though they have lived there for over 50 years) and my father-in-law wants to move back to China to die. In other words, it appears that some naturalized citizens of the US want only the benefits that they can receive. Once they've wrung all the benefits they can from being a citizen (education, wealth, etc.), they lament that they didn't stay in their birth country. In other words, they, like many others, want the best of both worlds. When I read all the anti-China and anti-US rants on this forum, I can only shake my head about the lack of objectivity in all of them. What do these questions accomplish? Life is about people and relationships. How do we get along with our neighbors? What are peoples hopes and dreams? It's not about mud-slinging and irritating each other. We can all learn from each other. We need to find better ways to do so. Answering a question about China should not include negative references to other countries. To do so is to say that the only way that China can look good is to make other countries look bad. China is succeeding on her own terms . . . not on others . . . which means those negative comparisons should stop. EDIT: Certain people need to carefully read what I said. Answers that include constant negative references to America don't benefit China at all. I also never "politely accused" my in-laws of being traitors. My point is this: If one wants to be loyal to China, then one shouldn't become an American citizen. If one does become an American citizen, then don't lament that fact and mourn for lost Chinese citizenship.
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First off, I want to say Craftyla has answered this question very good. As to what she says I can not say anything that would improve her answer. I also married a Chinese national and have been taken in by a very good family. My wife loves her home country and I have never her say anything bad about it. She says nothing about the US other than one day soon we go there to live. I do not talk about anything bad the CCP does while in China nor do I discuss the politics of the US or CCP in China. You ask if a Chinese patriot can live in China, to this I say yes. My wife is as much of a patriot of China as anybody there and in the US she will still be the same. I believe in the rights of free speech, thoughts, expression and all the rest. My wife will be able to live here with me as long as we wish and to say anything she wishes about the US and China in our home or any place we go. I think of my wife as a very smart woman and I will listen to anything she wants to say. I think you have misunderstood some of what you read here, or some of what you read has been wrote in a confusing way. I for one have not ever expressed any attitudes of displeasure towards the people of China only to the CCP. I have not now nor at any time made intentional remarks to speak bad about the people or the nation of China. Everything I have said I direct towards the CCP and the way they use the power they have over the people in China. So can a Chinese patriot live in the US? Without a doubt, yes. Can a American live in China as so many already do? I plan to spend much of my time there in the coming future with my Chinese family. So yes they can.
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Americans think that it is patriotic to protest, yell meaningless slogans, wave "Abortion is a Human Right" signs, and denounce their own government. By contrast, Chinese people think it is patriotic to study hard at school, work hard at their job, care for their family, and contribute to society. The cultural differences between America and China are stark, obvious, and profound. American patriots want to tear down their society. America has been in steady decline for several decades because these American patriots are succeeding. Chinese patriots want to improve society and build a better future for their children. Americans don't want a future and will probably get their wish. Americans hate to see China's progress, so they insult China and accuse anyone who supports China of being "brainwashed". The angry Americans fabricate stories of "secret police" and "human rights abuse" while 30,000 Americans are killed by guns annually. America needs to clean up its own act before complaining about other countries. I am disturbed by the answer from "Craftylass". She politely accuses her elderly in-laws of being traitors to the United States. I did not know that America's military had 80-year-old soldiers.
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I would say , yes . In America you can say that you like or dislike any thing . Some people might not like you for it but you can say it . O say's 30,000 shot in America ever year . I do not think that you will get shot for being a patriot in America . O say's that ever time , I think. I hope that crafty and sailor are right . I like both .
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